A Collective Emergence - a deep view into Andrew Cohens teaching
Andrew Cohen is talking, of course, about what happens within the framework of a certain context – that is, people sitting together in a circle and relating to each other most of all verbally. This is an important distinction to make as the path taken into the process Andrew is speaking about plays, of course, an important role in how the ‘collective emergence’ then will communicate/commune with and between us. As a person who is experienced using the way Andrew and his students are exploring the emergent collective (see: hieros gamos) but most of all experienced using quite a different method (I call it "Dynamic Presencing") for exploring this emergent I think it important to explore his ideas about this phenomenon.
Andrew sets the stage by stating what consciousness is, “the intersubjective field that we all share.” I come from the point of view that there is a mystery between us that shows up in our individual consciousness and then when the process comes to fruition steeps this individual in a more encompassing and all embracing consciousness. The “between-us” is a mystery, though, and taking it to actually be consciousness is premature and probably mistaken. We’ll come back to that in a while.
Andrew then says, “You should begin to ask yourself: What is it that captivates your attention?” But why should we ask this question; there are many other interesting questions to ask to get the process going. And, by the way I don’t think there is much respect for the participants and their authentic questions in Andrews should.
He then goes on to tell us what we will discover if we are "authentically engaging with the process". But why pose a question or start an inquiry if you already know the answer? Moreover I don't think it is showing much respect to the emergent between-us or the people participating in the inquiry when we’re told what we'll find if we authentically engage – there is a value judgment hidden there saying that any other outcome simply isn’t authentic. In my view respect for authenticity requires a much more open view and way of questioning.
He is right, surely and beautifully so, when he says, that here we are oriented radically different in our relating to others as we are primarily relating in the intersubjective consciousness itself. But then he again tells us what will happen to the concepts we may be exploring (the ones he said we should be asking to begin with), that is, they become secondary. But what if it is our concept to explore what actually is between us? What if we are relating to each other what is our take on the emergent "being" - the "circle being" as some explorers call it?
He says, "The concepts are just what you use to manipulate the field." But this concept – the concept of manipulation – is flawed already. To sit together in a round of people "to engage directly with the development of consciousness" as the "intersubjective field" is already a manipulation because it too is a concept.
I'm not using Andrews’s concepts when I configure a constellation for inquiring into the mystery between-us through Dynamic Presencing. I have another concept – that of non-verbal kinesthetic enquiry.
The point I'm getting at: There is now way to not manipulate the field, as the very way we constellate ourselves (for instance by sitting in a round and talking / being silent) is already manipulating, and based on certain concepts – or at the very least incorporating a particular set of concepts (and not others).
I very much like when then he says, "You find that you are one step ahead of even what you understand, and you discover that you are spontaneously acting and responding from a much more intuitive dimension of yourself."
Yes, in all the ways that I have explored the mystery between-us so far – and I do that in many different ways nowadays (Dynamic Presencing, Circles of the Heart, heart-to-heart-dialogues, but also very much in ordinary life when meeting with any person more and more there is this element even if not made explicit; matter of fact: it is great to inquire into the between-us without making that an explicit point of the meeting) – there is this element of coming from a deeper dimension of 'myself'. or, using the language of voice-dialogue: A more loving-enlightened personality is called upon and relating.
I'm critical about his use of the ego-concept which I’ll talk about later but I plainly object to his idea that by this process "our attention gradually moves from being focused only on the individual to becoming attuned to the collective, until finally it is drawn directly to the field of consciousness itself."
I object because he does not distinguish between "the field of consciousness" and "attuned to the collective". It shows that he believes that the 'between-us' which basically is a mystery we are exploring is "a field of consciousness" whereas I'm sure that consciousness is blissfully included but the between-us is much more encompassing than that. It is certainly not a field of ... (whatever you want to put on the dots).
For us, of course, it turns up – it appears, manifests – in consciousness very much, blissfully so as everyone who has been there will most likely say, but it's a world of difference to then take the field to be consciousness into which then "our attention" is "finally drawn". There is no finality whatsoever in this process as far as I can see, and even if it were, being very much at the beginning of this exploration it is way too early to state such finalities. I can understand though that Andrew would make such a statement as it fits with the 'evolutionary enlightenment' that is his main business.
Andrew in his appraisal of the phenomena he encounters in the process as he seems to be practicing it turns ethical and moral, saying, "This [honor and uphold the higher level] is the moral imperative inherent in the evolutionary process at the leading edge. If the individual feels obligated to sustain his or her highest attainment, which has occurred in an intersubjective context, then individual transformation becomes the only moral response to the collective emergence."
He obviously likes to be “leading edge” which probably fits well with his personality-type. He also likes "evolutionary process", particularly because he obviously thinks he already knows where it's going. I am not so certain; I'm still taking the questions serious, not wanting to rush into answers that don't come out of the process itself, also reflecting on what instruments and procedures we use in the process and how they determine the between-us.
In a process in which the between-us moves to the foreground of our awareness in such a way that it becomes almost tangible to all present and participating what we experience is of high value to the individual, and most likely it will be honored and upheld if a supporting structure in the person and their surrounding has been somewhat established. What happens more often though, alas, is that it takes many dives deep into these spiritual or mystical realms before a person finds suitable structures to him or her to sustain the value gained, and turns that into a way of life.
But how do you "sustain his or her own highest attainment, which has occurred in an intersubjective context" – Andrews’s moral imperative – if, as he says himself, "In an ideal world, each individual would spontaneously feel..."
He apparently himself knows that we do not live in an ideal world, so his imperative is not a reality here in this imperfect world we live in.
So when Andrew goes on to tell us why this process will demand that everyone partaking in it transforms, and that this “moral obligation is not imposed from without; it is spontaneously generated within each individual by the intersubjectively revealed higher potential itself," he is stating the obvious.
Whoever has dipped into the ocean of spiritual delight by whatever means, be it through the ministries of what emerges between-us under certain circumstances or be it through some meditation, catharsis or meta-noia, will feel obliged to transform towards being more in alignment with what has disclosed itself. And this is always generated within each individual, always, because that is also the one that then transforms – the individual.
This could only be a surprise to a guru like Andrew who still believes that the Master or the Enlightened somehow effect people's transformations from 'outside' (that actually there is no inside and outside or subject and object is another matter I have discussed elsewhere). So here goes Andrew: "Could there be a greater challenge for the ego? And yet it’s not coming from an external authority." And we all can know that Andrew sees himself as great, and at times even physically violent, challenger of the ego (whatever that means beyond being the repository of everything one doesn't like, or what stops one from being/becoming enlightened; the ego being the most abused term in present day spirituality – nobody likes it, everyone believes it must be gotten rid of; it is the arch-enemy of the spiritual; but is it?).
The process of inquiry into the mystery between-us is not centered around concepts that Andrews holds most dearly: "Evolutionary Enlightenment", "the true teacher" or "Authentic Self" – nevertheless, of course, it is perfectly legitimate to inquire into the between-us like that, surely what emerges there can provide participating individuals with deep insights into what these questions mean for them and the living field. But it is not up to the possibilities – nor does it show much respect for – the between-us if one already acts as if one knows what the answers to these concepts will be, and from everything he writes here, it is clear that Andrew thinks he does.
If there is one thing the between-us is not it is the guru-principle. Learning occurs, even very deep and transforming learning – I know for it is this very living field that has been decisive in my migration from being some kind of guru / spiritual teacher myself to being a companion and a friend for some, moving away from vertical spiritual concepts to relational ones; this is what opening up to the mystery between-us has done in my life…








Lots to be said here:):) the verticality in relalion to horizontal and other aspects are still to be explored and measured. Andrew himself is engaging in this process. As not beeing student of Andrew I nevertheless realze the deep truth of his teaching.
And Andrew contrubtions to connect as much as Spiral Dynmaics Integral, AQAL, Zaadz and many other approaches is exemplary. I see now other org like Enlightennext worldwide in spiritual orbits and sanghas.
Unfortunateley I could not listen to his conversation with Spiral Wizard Mike Jay recently. No magaizine like wIE is existing worldwide as far I can see. No dialogue like the Guru Pandit Dialogue exists a second time.
Andrew function as Guru might not be for everyone. For different reasons. But his functions as founder, communicator, editor, author are unique too.
The ego is well and alive. Many do not like to use this word anymore. Maybe for good reasons. In each case, whether with external guru of wit strong own authority and power, the process of including and transcending realtive and absolute realms remains a heroic one.
Especially when afterwords no silent Hum and Om murmering in the woods, mountains and deserts is intended but (r)evolution for the world.
Cheers,
Albert
I can see that you find many reasons to admire Andrew Cohen, and that is quite alright with me :))
He is communicating much as a teacher, author and so on, So it is one of his teachings/communications I looked in deeper, and the blog-entry was the result.
And what I would be interested in is a dialogue about the content… elogies about the person abound here, there and everywhere, and that is fine with me, but basically boring as long as looking at particular contents of what the persons basic teachings are is regarded as criticising the many other things that person does or does not do.
I can, and do admire persons who achieve their visions and inspire others likewise - that is not in question, though.
Cheers 2,
mushin
Mushin..one point to clarify:):)
I am no admirer, I am no fan of everyone. Not even as Sherpa…There are deep resonances with several people. I am for more than three decades harply ciricizing any cultism. However specific capacities are aligned to specific persons.
The only boring thing for me is the avoidance of the own resistance in thousand forms.
heroism of soul as Emerson described is the only imersion which interests me. Not faking ones own heart, vocation and calling.
In this Andrew is resonating deeply with me. More than 99, 5% of any other living teachers.
It was alreadysaid in Tripura Rahsya.
Tripura Rahasja
Cheers,
Albert
To make it abundantly clear:
The participatory vision of spirituality, which is what 'relational spirituality' as I live it is all about, rejects the exclusivity of any tradition and maintains instead an open spiritual pluralism grounded in the postulation of a dynamic and indeterminate spiritual power that can be variously enacted and expressed in the world.
Andrew Cohens and Ken Wilbers spirituality is basically monistic.
But I have yet to understand the gist of your comments here as they do not touch on the content of what my article is about.
Greetings,
mushin
Oh boy, my two fave dudes romping in the seedfields…
The thing I like most about this conversation is that, without having actually met either of you in the flesh (…yet…) I deeply know that you are both true, authentic, real and genuine direct experience junkies. It's what makes this so great. Because you KNOW that the words can in no way do justice to the experienced reality of which you both speak - from your own experience.
If I think of abandoning all my habitually held opinions and preferences and just opening up to that which either of you senses, embodies and seeks to transmit, I fell the buttons going off all over, like an ecstasy of ego-death by a thousand spears of insight. Much more comfortable to stay blind, but just thinking about it opens me up another notch in my own journey of expansion.
So thank you both for locking horns over Andrew - you have been gentlement throughout!
With men like you in the world, there's still hope
Looking out my window after reading your encouraging response, Helen, I remember my fundamentalistic streak - it runs deep in my family (my father going to war 1940 as 17 year old volunteer, 3 years later deserting, turning communist in Swiss refugee camp, turning anarchist later after living in the Socialist part of Germany… me, flunking school and running away with 15, a hippie in Amsterdam, dope-dealer and LSD-spreader, turning to Christian sect, converting around 1000 people, turning away from that belief after deep insight, becoming street-worker, dropping that and travelling to the East, dropping that and following a spiritual path for 20 years, creating a community with 12 people, dropping that for “participatory spirituality”… I mean, I always radically followed what felt right, even to the point, recently, that I'm absolutely broke and family has to lend me some money…
So then locking horns happens fast…
And there is something to it, there was an undercurrent (now that I see it not 'under' anymore) of not valueing hierarchies, seeing them much to easily as vestiges of abuse… so now learning to re-value them… healthy hierarchies, yes, they are sorely needed….
Ho, Mushin, as they say, we see the world not as it is, but as we are. The world certainly changes as I change. And these days I see hierarchy all around me, both power heirarchy (not surprising, given where I work) and developmental hierarchy. Part of me is mildly uncomfortable with the dangers of elitism, and yet I see that these differences people's ways of thinking are really there, and I see how little originality there is in us - as if we are being thought by our dominant memes. So I really am looking forward to some stiff explorations with you, and I don't doubt that my buttons will blow… but I'm looking forward to it.
Having just finished my Easter Seminar here I can somehow put it into words very easily - the difference between healthy and sick hirarchy lies in the difference eypressed in the words leading & dominating.
If one of our 'inner personalities' (or sub-personalities as they're called sometimes) - like the 'inner child', the “controller” or even the “inner master” - is trying to lead the rest of 'us' through dominating it will eventually result in trouble for the organism/spirit we are…
That's the bottom line that I can see right now.
Hello Mushin
Thank you for sending me the link to this post, I have been terribly busy so I only got to read it today. That may be a good thing, because something I actually only understood a couple of days ago as Andrew was speaking about this here in London where I am at the moment relates to this; he said that the evolution of consciousness and the evolution of culture are actually the same thing. It struck me how true that is, that my consciousness is our consciousness. That my perspective is usually our perspective. I don't exist in isolation and consciousness isn't in me. I am in it, together with you and everyone else.
Now the experiences I have from the circles, in the experiments with Cohen we call this 'enlightened communication', is that it literally alters the consciousness, my, our, awareness, and I/we start to see the we as I, not as a concept but from the inside, as direct perception of a different perceiver. Interesting don't you think?
In terms of hierarchy and 'inner master', it must have been in the air, I just wrote my latest blogpost about that, it would be great if you checked it out and maybe commented on it.
Hello Arjan,
yes, it is everywhere now, we can feel it is surfacing all over the place - what I/we call “the between-us”.
I/we like the idea of the consciousness as being shared among us and not somethin private or in 'me'. I/we would like to add that there is another important force in the mystery we call reality, and that is what I/we would call the Dark Matrix - which is never to be penetrated by the light of consciousness; it's more like the soil we're all rooted in also.
Yes, “enlightened communication” - I/we would rather use the term “true communication” simply not to get stuck in the 'enlightenment-disease' - is a wonderful way to explore this new avenue of evolution…
Regarding the master-student game, I/we'll be saying if and what we have to say over at your blogpost.